tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746715076625385730.post4334013881633426969..comments2023-11-09T15:25:12.728-08:00Comments on Lolo Diklo : Rromani Against Racism: STATEMENT FROM THE UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MUSEUMUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746715076625385730.post-60602708526182046252011-01-18T05:39:27.744-08:002011-01-18T05:39:27.744-08:00Sorry Morgan, I came across as an ass on that last...Sorry Morgan, I came across as an ass on that last post. I really did not mean to express myself that way. Very diffacult to put these thoughts into words. It is so hard to process & wrap my head around recent reports I get from Europe, hard to believe, I am shocked & horrified. One thing I know that all Roma and Travelers have in common is the Ethic Order. It seems like Eoro Man wants to destroy what will save him. We lost so much with all the cultures destroyed. I don't blame the victim Morgan. I blame our messed up belief systems, that we don't understand. Treating the planet in a pre-disposed manner. We are such a mean spirited species.<br />CasimireCasimirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746715076625385730.post-44889648956048807802011-01-17T19:48:16.863-08:002011-01-17T19:48:16.863-08:00Hi Morgan, I guess I stuck my foot in my mouth thi...Hi Morgan, I guess I stuck my foot in my mouth this time... Was not trying to blame the victim and I apologize if I came across that way. What I am blaming is political system(s) for what it does to us, all people. We are not recognised in this country as a people. Even Religion hurts us, I discussed with you my experience at the Gypsy Church here in Portland, the Preacher there equating Cain (from Cain & Able Bible story) and Roma being the Son's of Cain. I was shocked when he laid that one on us. That kind of thing can really screw people up and you can see it in some of them. I am just trying to express that there are forces that are messing us up, I see what religion does to our people, even here in Portland. I'm sure a bunch of good christians behind what is happening in Europe. What Government(s) have subjected us too. Not to mention schools. This is diffacult and touchy subject, I don't want to give Romani people any bad press. I am trying to understand the situation and I guess I came across as a bit of a jerk. It seems like different people come through adversity differently. I tend to be bitter and hold a grudge. My Mom was the most forgiving and understanding person on the planet, she was a real Traveler and had it much worse then me. Growing up I had an "Auntie" who escaped the Death Camp and was the sweetest & compassionate person ever. It is a real mystery and interesting study what hardship does to different people. Really, what I was trying to say is that I can see past the superficial and trying understand what war, poverty, and opression have done to Roma people in Europe and all over. What schools, religion and even our Government have done to us here. Sometimes, hard for me to digest and then try to express properly is near impossible. I hate to leave the house sometimes, so much cruelity & uglyness. I was raised in an atmosphere of The Ethic Order and I know that is common thread ALL Roma and Travelers have. So very shocking to see that disappearing. The culture I grew up in, when you talked to an elder you even took you're glasses off! We have a hell of a lot to offer besides music, Euro man always seems to destroy what can save him. We have this Ethic Order that holds people together, could heal socieity, but it is almost dead. Just like they nearly destroyed Native American Culture, they knew how to take care of the land and the whole environment. Now Earth is so polluted almost dead. But they come in with their Bibles and treat everything in a pre-disposed manner, "God will give us a new world" as soon as we distroy this one. I see what that mind set is doing to us and very very hard to wrap my mind around it, and harder still to express my thoughts. Dig?<br />CasimireCasimirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746715076625385730.post-2066164216760231952011-01-17T11:17:06.303-08:002011-01-17T11:17:06.303-08:00Well, you know Casimire, mostly I agree with the s...Well, you know Casimire, mostly I agree with the statements you make, but I always draw the line on blaming the victim.<br /><br />I don't really know anyone active in Romani politics who has his or her head buried in the sand. The trafficking of children is an issue that political Romani in Europe have been addressing for years.<br /><br />I also don't think we need to advertise the foibles of the Romani. That's one thing we can count on the mainstream press doing. They simply neglect to write about the good acts, and political work of Romani themselves.<br /><br />They'll give us credit for music and that's about it.<br /><br />MorganMorganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07992904627011818845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746715076625385730.post-21951722057608923212011-01-17T07:52:31.033-08:002011-01-17T07:52:31.033-08:00Hi Morgan,
You have known me for quite a while now...Hi Morgan,<br />You have known me for quite a while now. And you know I'm on you're side. But (for a moment)let's look at the situation in Europe objectively, the situation is very complex. There really are two sides to every story. And I'm going to stick my neck out here....OK? Example....<br />I was married to a woman from Mainland China and she grew up during the Cultural Revolution. I could see some aspects of her personality that were strait out of Mao's Red Book. Communist system messed her up a little and ashamed of her own culture. Ex. she painted some expensive antique Chinese furnature pink because Mao said; "old things are bad"! So looking at what Romani people (in Eastern Europe) have been subjected to just the past 150 years or so. Slavery, WWII and Concentration Camps, many years of Communist rule, the fall of Communism and all the conflict that resulted. So being subjected to generations of grinding poverty and lack of opprunity...people do some very desperate things that are totally against traditional ethic order of Roma Socieity. I have been to Europe and talked to people on both sides. I think that Romani activists bury their heads in the sand a little and don't address some of the issues that might not be so pretty. Again, Poverty makes people do horrible things and if this is not addressed then there is no solution. It is creating problems in Western Europe, but deportations and building walls is not a constructive solution. Ideals, such as educating children or creating jobs, could be. But if Romani activists ignore these huge issues, then no progress can be made. I took my Granny back to England before she died. Some people told me that it wasn't Travelers themselves they had problems with, it was how they left their camps, sometimes like garbage dumps. I am not saying they are right or wrong. But compromises can't be made if things are too one sided. Educating traveler communities to leave campsites cleaner could help. I hope you understand where I am trying to go with this, you know I love our people!<br />CasimireCasimirenoreply@blogger.com